Monday, November 14, 2011

The Olivet Discourse, part 5

Shalom, everyone.

Let's continue. In this section, pay close attention to the pronouns, particularly the second-person, plural pronouns "ye" and "you" and "your." When Yeshua` used the words translated in the second-person plural, He was talking DIRECTLY to His talmudiym (His disciples) standing (or sitting) in His presence at the time of the Olivet Discourse...

However, ye will be delivered up also by parents and siblings and relatives and friends, and they will put [some] from among you to death. But even a brother will deliver up a brother into death and a father a child, and children will rise up against parents and deliver them to death.

Yeshua` went on to warn His students that even those to whom one is closest will betray them, delivering them up to be put to death. This was what happened in the first century and directly to those students of His to whom He was talking! This is NOT an event or a series of events that will happen in our future; this is something that has already occurred.

And ye shall be hated by all the Gentile nations on account of my authority, and [yet] not a hair out of your head may ever perish. By your patient endurance, [you shall] gain your breathers/lives.

They are then warned that they would be hated by all the Goyim or Gentile nations - non-Jewish nations - because of the authority of the Messiah, and yet they would survive over all. This suggests that He is DEFINITELY talking to His Jewish talmudiym (students; followers; disciples). Who but Jews would CARE about the "Messiah's authority?" The word "souls," which I have rendered "breathers/lives," (Greek: "psuchas," the accusative case of the plural of "psuchee") is the combination of people's bodies and their "spirits" or "breaths" (Greek: "pneuma," from which we get our word "pneumatic"), and "souls" means "created-beings-that-breathe" or "breathers." In other words, rest a while and even if you are one that is killed, you will gain back your breathing body in the resurrection when your body will be transformed or metamorphed into an incorruptible body (1 Cor. 15:50-57), even complete with all your hair follicles! He was not promising them they wouldn't die, but He was promising them a resurrection!

And then, many shall be led to offend, and shall be revealed by one another and will hate one another. And many lying prophets will arise and will mislead many. Also, because the [ones] against the Torah will have been multiplied, the love of many will grow cold. However, the [one who] stays under it into the conclusion, he himself shall be rescued. And the good news about the kingdom shall be heralded then in all of the habitable world into a witness to all the Gentile nations and then shall come the conclusion.

So, now Yeshua` fell back into letting His insight veer into the more distant future. Although Mark didn't say the whole thing, Matthew said that one must "stay under it (the Torah, from the previous sentence) and that the good news about the Kingdom shall be heralded in all of the habitable world into a witness to all the Gentile nations and THEN shall come the conclusion." All of these are clues that speak toward Yeshua` focusing on His Jewish talmudiym (disciples, students) to whom He was speaking.

But when ye therefore shall see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has drawn near - the abomination of the desolation – the [one which] was spoken about by Dani'el the prophet - standing in [the] holy place where it must not be (let the reader understand), then let those in Y'hudah (Judah) flee into the mountains.

At this point, Yeshua` snapped back to His present and started talking directly to His talmudiym, telling them that they would see Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) surrounded by armies and facing its imminent desolation, the "Abomination of the Desolation." Therefore, these details would be within His students' lifetime. This is NOT a unique, isolated event nor is it a future occurrence. This happened in the past. You see, the "abomination of the desolation" is literally a disgusting or a sickening or a filthy or a loathsome or a polluted thing (shiquwts/bdelugma) that results from a desolation - a stunning or stupefying or devastating or wasting event (shaameem/ereemoosis). One MUST avoid thinking of these words as though they were a label of a particular event in the future! Use them for their MEANING, not as a label! Some of His disciples or students SAW such an event 40 or so years later! It was the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple, a stunning event to every Jew, believer or nonbeliever! The event was gut-wrenching and sickening and disheartening to everyone who loved God! The "destruction of the Temple" involves two words that should NEVER have been used together, "destruction" and "Temple!" When they saw this starting by Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, they were instructed to run to the mountains.

However, [let] the [one] upon the roof-top not come down into the house nor go inside to take anything out of his house. And [don’t] let the [one] in the field back into the [city]; he is not to return to take his clothes, and let those in [the] middle of it depart out and don’t let those in the countrysides enter into it. For these are the days of vengeance; all things which are written may be fulfilled. But <ooaahee!> (a cry of grief) to the [one] who is pregnant and to those [who] breast-feed in those days! But pray so that your flight may not be in [the] rainy season (“winter”) nor on Shabbat (the Sabbath); for then those days shall be the huge pressure - no - nor has been its like since [the] beginning of Creation of [the] habitable world which God created until the present - no - nor ever shall be.

No one at that time would have any time for backtracking! They were to find the quickest route out of the city! Like escaping a burning building, they were to forget about belongings and run! Here are a few things that only make sense in the first century A.D:

First, why would anyone be instructed to stay on their roof-top if the urgency was to get out of town? Well, in the Old City of Jerusalem, the houses were all one-story houses and they were packed together tightly within the city walls. Their "roads" were little more than sidewalks or paths in most cases, just wide enough for a human or a mule to walk. So, it would be possible to jump from rooftop to rooftop until one finally reached the houses built adjacent to the wall and escape over the wall. One might call it a "Road of the Rooftops." This is not true for modern Jerusalem which is built more like Western cities with tall buildings and wider 2- or more-lane streets for automobiles and trucks, and is no longer within the confines of the city walls. The buildings of Old Jerusalem, although still inhabited by some of the residents of the city, have become more of a tourist attraction than simple living quarters, thanks in large part to the overrunning of the Gentile nations such that even the Old City is divided into four quarters.

Second, another clue would be in the fact that the city was surrounded by fields, like a Qibbuts. That's not true of today's Jerusalem. One must travel for a while to get to the fields outside of Jerusalem.

Third, another clue is found in the warning to pray that their escape not have to happen in the rainy season or on the Shabbat. Who but a devout Jew would CARE if they had to run on a Shabbat?!

No, this had to be during the first century when such clues made sense, not in today's world.

In the Messiah's love,
Retrobyter

Monday, November 7, 2011

The Olivet Discourse, part 4

Shalom, everyone.


Okay, now, let's go into detail on this prophecy of our Master, Yeshua` haMashiach: We'll take a "sentence" at a time.

And Yeshua` went out, departing from the temple, and His students came to show Him the buildings of the temple.

In this sentence, we see that Yeshua` had been in the Temple and was now leaving the area where the sacrifices were made. His students - His disciples - decided to give Him a tour of the buildings of this Temple complex.

And as some were speaking about the temple that it was adorned [with] goodly stones and consecrated-gifts, and as he (was) departing out from the temple, one out of His students said to Him, “Teacher, see what stones and what buildings!”

Some were commenting about the huge stones and how they were decorated with gems and special commemorative plates referrencing the gifts benefactors had given, and someone commented, "Teacher, see what stones and buildings!" obviously impressed at the architecture.

And Yeshua`answering, said to him, “Do you see these huge buildings?"

I highlighted the word "him" because, at first, Yeshua` responded solely to the one impressed.

But He responding, also said to them, “Do y’all not see all these things? I confirm to you the days in which these things which ye are beholding will come, no, there shall surely not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not -  surely notbe torn down!” 

Then, Yeshua` opened up His question to them all, and began His warning, telegraphing what they should expect regarding the Temple. It would all be torn down and not a stone would be left on a stone.

But He sat down upon the Har haZeitiym (the Mountain of the Olives).

Now, the scene has moved to the Mount of Olives to the east of Yerushalayim (Jerusalem). Some have suggested to me that they feel that Luke's account actually took place within the Temple, but that the accounts of Matthew and Mark took place on the Mount of Olives. However, if you consider the brown, green, and violet segments and how close the blue segments are to the red, orange, and gold segments, it makes better sense that Luke's account simply failed to mention the move to the Mount of Olives. There are just too many points of correlation between the accounts!

And as He was sitting upon the Har haZeitiym opposite the temple, the students, Kefa (Peter), Ya`acov (James), Yochanan (John) and Andreas (Andrew), approached Him privately saying,But, Teacher, tell us then - when shall these things be? And what [shall be] the sign of thy revealing? What shall be the sign when all these things are about to take place and the entire completion of the age?”

Now, we learn that Yeshua` was approached by the four main disciples, Peter, James, John, and Andrew, and He was asked privately when the events would take place, what the sign of His coming or "uncovering" would be, and what would be the sign that all these things would be about to take place as well as the final completion of the Age. Some who wish to separate the things Yeshua` said into answers regarding each of these separate questions, do so to allow for timing of events, such as the Rapture, out of the order in which the Messiah presented the information.

But Yeshua` answering, began to say and saying to them [all],Look out so that no one misleads you [and] ye be led astray! 

Notice that the words "to them" is in orange, and WHAT He said was mostly in brown. Therefore, He was not just talking to the four disciples who asked Him privately. He opened it up to all of His students, and His first words of warning on the Mountain were for them to pay attention so they would not be misled or led astray.

For many will come upon my authority when saying,I am the Messiah, and the time is drawn near,’ and they will mislead many.

His reason for their attention is because there would come many people as though with His authority and claiming to be the Messiah.

Therefore, don’t go with them, but when ye shall attend, ye shall hear of wars and reports of wars; discern clearly; don’t be frightened nor be-terrified [in the] commotion. 

Now, Yeshua` is expanding on the time of these deceptions. They would hear about wars and reports of wars. A war takes time to wage, and it takes time to supply. This is now much longer than a few months. He is talking about years of war and threats of war. Therefore, He is telling them not to let their guard down during that time.

It is necessary, for all these things must happen first, but the conclusion  is not immediately, not yet.”

Yeshua` took this scenario all the way to the conclusion of this Age in this sentence, but promised that the conclusion of the Age was not immediate when they experience these things.

Then He said to them,  “For nation shall awaken upon nation and kingdom upon kingdom, and there-shall-be famines and plagues, and there shall be huge earthquakes and troubles down various locations.

Then Yeshua` said to them all that they would see nation arise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. Again, these skirmishes and wars would take time. This is NOT a short amount of time, either! Furthermore, this is compounded with threats of famine, plagues, earthquakes, and other disturbances. Generally, these are not frequent occurrences but are sporadic and relatively infrequent. I believe that Yeshua` was looking down the corridors of time for the next 2000 years and telling them that, throughout that time period, they and future disciples would see these threats.

Also fearful sights and great signs shall be from [the] skies, but all these-things [are the] beginning of labor pains.

The implications here are that (1) there will also be things and indications from the skies, such as the asteroid pass tomorrow, and that (2) matters will become worse before they get better.

“But, you look out for yourselves! However before all these things, they will lay their hands upon you, and they will persecute [you], delivering [you] up.

So, His students were to take care of themselves by paying attention. Now, Yeshua` backed up and basically said that before all these things would happen, there would be some who would grab His students - arrest them - and persecute them, handing them over to the persecutors. Thus, this is now His second pass through the events of the future. The first pass was about general conditions throughout the two millennia coming. This second pass was about the persecution they would suffer through that time.

Then shall you be surrendered into pressure: For you shall be surrendered into sanhedrims, bringing [you into] prisons and into synagogues. Ye will be beaten, and ye will be brought before governors and kings and they shall kill you on account of my authority.

The order of escalation here is what is important. At first, pressure would be brought to bear. Then, they would be taken before the sanhedrims - the local justice system for each city. From there, they would taken to prisons - barely holes in the ground for safe-keeping - and/or hauled into the synagogues for public beatings. After this, events will escalate until members of their groups would be brought before governors (such as Herod or Pilate or Porcius Festus) and then kings (such as Agrippa and Caesar himself). Eventually, some of them would be killed on account of the Messianic authority of Yeshua`.

But, it shall turn out to you [to be] a testimony to them, and the good message must be proclaimed into all the Gentile nations first.

The nobility of their serene stand against their persecutors would speak for them, and the Good Message about the Kingdom, namely that their God would reign, and that this message had to be heralded (like a town cryer) into all the Goyim (Gentile, non-Jewish) nations first.

But when they may lead you away, delivering you up, do not rehearse nor premeditate what ye should say, but that whatever may be given to you in that hour, this speak. For ye are not they who speak but the Ruach haQodesh (the Holy Spirit/Wind). Therefore, calm your heart not to premeditate to make a defense.  For I will give you a mouth and a wisdom to which all those opposing you shall not be able to reply nor to resist.

Now, Yeshua` told them not to rehearse or plan their speech against their persecutors.

More to come...

In the Messiah's love,
Retrobyter

Tuesday, November 1, 2011

Additional teaching?

Shalom, everyone.

To those who might be interested, I have recently begun to post in the  http://www.worthychristianforums.com/
and
http://www.christianityboard.com/
forums, particularly the forums on Prophecy, Eschatology, and End Times Prophecy Christian Forum.
Occasionally, I might do some posting in other forums on these two sites, but primarily I study, discuss, and teach on Bible prophecy.

In the Messiah's love,
Retrobyter

Friday, October 28, 2011

The Olivet Discourse, part 3

Shalom, friends.

Okay. Now, let's analyze the English against the Greek for a proper translation:

Matt. 24 Matt.&Mark Mark 13 Mark&Luke Luke 21 Matt.&Luke all three

And Yeshua` went out, departing from the temple, and His students came to show Him the buildings of the temple. And as some were speaking about the temple that it was adorned [with] goodly stones and consecrated-gifts, and as he (was) departing out from the temple, one out of His students said to Him, “Teacher, see what stones and what buildings!”

And Yeshua`answering, said to him, “Do you see these huge buildings?” 

But He responding, also said to them, “Do y’all not see all these things? I confirm to you the days in which these things which ye are beholding will come, no, there shall surely not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not -  surely notbe torn down!” 

But He sat down upon the Har haZeitiym (the Mountain of the Olives). And as He was sitting upon the Har haZeitiym opposite the temple, the students, Kefa (Peter), Ya`acov (James), Yochanan (John) and Andreas (Andrew), approached Him privately saying,But, Teacher, tell us then - when shall these things be? And what [shall be] the sign of thy revealing? What shall be the sign when all these things are about to take place and the entire completion of the age?”

But Yeshua` answering, began to say and saying to them [all],Look out so that no one misleads you [and] ye be led astray!  For many will come upon my authority when saying,I am the Messiah, and the time is drawn near,’ and they will mislead many. Therefore, don’t go with them, but when ye shall attend, ye shall hear of wars and reports of wars; discern clearly; don’t be frightened nor be-terrified [in the] commotion.  It is necessary, for all these things must happen first, but the conclusion  is not immediately, not yet.”

Then He said to them,  “For nation shall awaken upon nation and kingdom upon kingdom, and there-shall-be famines and plagues, and there shall be huge earthquakes and troubles down various locations. Also fearful sights and great signs shall be from [the] skies, but all these-things [are the] beginning of labor pains.

“But, you look out for yourselves! However before all these things, they will lay their hands upon you, and they will persecute [you], delivering [you] up. Then shall you be surrendered into pressure: For you shall be surrendered into sanhedrims, bringing [you into] prisons and into synagogues. Ye will be beaten, and ye will be brought before governors and kings and they shall kill you on account of my authority. But, it shall turn out to you [to be] a testimony to them, and the good message must be proclaimed into all the Gentile nations first. But when they may lead you away, delivering you up, do not rehearse nor premeditate what ye should say, but that whatever may be given to you in that hour, this speak. For ye are not they who speak but the Ruach haQodesh (the Holy Spirit/Wind). Therefore, calm your heart not to premeditate to make a defense.  For I will give you a mouth and a wisdom to which all those opposing you shall not be able to reply nor to resist. However, ye will be delivered up also by parents and siblings and relatives and friends, and they will put [some] from among you to death. But even a brother will deliver up a brother into death and a father a child, and children will rise up against parents and deliver them to death. And ye shall be hated by all the Gentile nations on account of my authority, and [yet] not a hair out of your head may ever perish. By your patient endurance, [you shall] gain your breathers/lives. And then, many shall be led to offend and one another shall be revealed and will hate one another.  And many lying prophets will arise and will mislead many. Also, because the [ones] against the Torah will have been multiplied, the love of many will grow cold. However, the [one who] stays under it into the conclusion, he himself shall be rescued. And the good news about the kingdom shall be heralded then in all of the habitable world into a witness to all the Gentile nations and then shall come the conclusion.

But when ye therefore shall see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has drawn near - The Abomination of the Desolation – the [one which] was spoken about by Dani'el the prophet - standing in [the] holy place where it must not be (let the reader understand), then let those in Y'hudah (Judah) flee into the mountains. However, [let] the [one] upon the roof-top not come down into the house nor go inside to take anything out of his house. And [don’t] let the [one] in the field back into the [city]; he is not to return to take his clothes, and let those in [the] middle of it depart out and don’t let those in the countrysides enter into it. For these are the days of vengeance; all things which are written may be fulfilled. But <ooaahee!> to the [one] who is pregnant and to those [who] breast-feed in those days! But pray so that your flight may not be in [the] rainy season (“winter”) nor on Shabbat (the Sabbath); for then those days shall be the huge pressure - no - nor has been its like since [the] beginning of Creation of [the] habitable world which God created until the present - no - nor ever shall be, and if [the] Master had not shortened those days, there would not have been any flesh rescued. But on account of the chosen [ones] whom He chose, He has shortened the days [and] those days shall be shortened. For huge distress will be upon the Land and violent passion in this people.  And they shall fall by the edge (mouth) of [the] sword and shall be led away captive into all the Gentile nations, and Jerusalem shall be trampled under by Gentile nations until the times of the Gentile nations be fulfilled. And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here's the Messiah!’  or ‘Here [He is]!’  or ‘Look, there!’  Don't (you) believe (it)! For lying Messiahs and lying prophets will arise and will produce great signs and miracles to the deception so as to mislead if possible even the chosen (ones).  But ye, watch out! Look, I have forewarned all (things) to you! Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look! [He’s] in the wilderness!’ don’t go out there! ‘Look! [He’s] in the chambers!’ Don’t you believe [it]!  For as the lightning flashes out from [the] east and shines as far as [the] west, so too the Revealing of the Son of Man shall be. For wherever the carcase may be, there the vultures will be gathered together.

“However, in those days, immediately after the pressure of those days, there will be signs in [the] sun, moon and stars: the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not shine its light and the stars shall fall out of the sky (meteors) and the stars shall be fallen out of the sky (meteorites) and distress of Gentile nations in confusion, [the] roaring sea and waves upon the earth, and men’s hearts failing them from fear, [from] looking after those (things) which are coming on the habitable world; for even the powers which (are) in the skies shall be shaken.

“And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in the sky. And then all the families of the Land shall mourn and they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud - coming in [and] upon the clouds of the sky - with great power and great brightness. And then He shall send His messengers with a loud trumpeting sound, and they shall gather together His chosen (ones) out of the four winds from one extremity of [the] earth to an extremity of [the] sky to the other extremity.  But these things beginning to come to pass, look up and raise up your heads, for your redemption draws near.”

And He spoke a parable to them, “But, learn the parable from the fig tree: Look at the fig tree, even all the trees; When already its branch is beginning [to be] green,  they shoot forth now and it puts forth the leaves, ye see for yourselves it is known that now summer is close. So when ye see all these things likewise come to pass ye know that the kingdom of God is close upon (the) threshhold.  I confirm to you that this generation will not ever have passed until each one of these things be fulfilled [and] until the whole of these things be fulfilled. The sky and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away.

But no man knows concerning of that day and of that hour, not even those messengers of the sky in (the) sky neither the Son but only my Father. But like the days of Noach (Noah) [were], in the same way will be also the Revealing of the Son of Man:

For like they in those same days that [were] before the Flood were munching and guzzling, marrying and arranging marriages, until that day Noach (Noah) entered into the ark, and were not aware until the Flood came and swept absolutely all away, so the Revealing of the Son of Man shall also be the same way. Then two shall be in the field: the one shall be received near and the other shall be sent forth. Two shall be grinding at the mill house: one (feminine) shall be received near and one (feminine) shall be sent forth.

However, watch yourselves so at no time your hearts be weighed down with hangovers and intoxication and distractions of this life, and that the day stand upon you unexpectedly. For it shall come as a trap upon all those who dwell on [the] surface of the whole earth.  Therefore, stay awake! Pray at every occasion that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man.  Watch out, stay awake, and wish forward to God! For ye don’t know when the time will be!

As a man journeying abroad who left his household and gave to his slaves the authority and to each one his [own] assignment and commanded the front door guard to stay awake guarding, therefore then YE guard for ye don’t know when - what timeyour master, the master of the household, will come, at dusk or midnight or cockcrowing or at dawn! Otherwise, he will come suddenly to find you sleeping! But that which I say to you, I say to all: Stay awake!

But know this: that if the householder had known in what watch the burglar would come, he would have watched better and would better not have allowed [him] to break into his house. Through that [analogy], ye be ready, too; the Son of the Man shall come at such a time that ye won’t imagine.

Now, this isn't perfect. I know that. However, it is a good attempt at translating into modern American English what the three Greek versions are trying to convey that Yeshua` said.

Some, I know, will object to some of the rendering of this message by Yeshua`, but the truth is that He said what ALL THREE "evangelists" wrote. I trust God to have kept their versions of Yeshua`s message as pure as possible and that what Yeshua` actually said was a UNION of all three.

One will also notice that there is a certain "Jewishness" to the translation. Yeshua` was not talking to "Jewish Christians"; He was talking to believing JEWS who recognized that He was the Messiah of God for them! That's a HUGE difference, and one that must be maintained!

Next time, we'll talk about this discourse in more detail.

In the Messiah's love,
Retrobyter