Friday, October 28, 2011

The Olivet Discourse, part 3

Shalom, friends.

Okay. Now, let's analyze the English against the Greek for a proper translation:

Matt. 24 Matt.&Mark Mark 13 Mark&Luke Luke 21 Matt.&Luke all three

And Yeshua` went out, departing from the temple, and His students came to show Him the buildings of the temple. And as some were speaking about the temple that it was adorned [with] goodly stones and consecrated-gifts, and as he (was) departing out from the temple, one out of His students said to Him, “Teacher, see what stones and what buildings!”

And Yeshua`answering, said to him, “Do you see these huge buildings?” 

But He responding, also said to them, “Do y’all not see all these things? I confirm to you the days in which these things which ye are beholding will come, no, there shall surely not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not -  surely notbe torn down!” 

But He sat down upon the Har haZeitiym (the Mountain of the Olives). And as He was sitting upon the Har haZeitiym opposite the temple, the students, Kefa (Peter), Ya`acov (James), Yochanan (John) and Andreas (Andrew), approached Him privately saying,But, Teacher, tell us then - when shall these things be? And what [shall be] the sign of thy revealing? What shall be the sign when all these things are about to take place and the entire completion of the age?”

But Yeshua` answering, began to say and saying to them [all],Look out so that no one misleads you [and] ye be led astray!  For many will come upon my authority when saying,I am the Messiah, and the time is drawn near,’ and they will mislead many. Therefore, don’t go with them, but when ye shall attend, ye shall hear of wars and reports of wars; discern clearly; don’t be frightened nor be-terrified [in the] commotion.  It is necessary, for all these things must happen first, but the conclusion  is not immediately, not yet.”

Then He said to them,  “For nation shall awaken upon nation and kingdom upon kingdom, and there-shall-be famines and plagues, and there shall be huge earthquakes and troubles down various locations. Also fearful sights and great signs shall be from [the] skies, but all these-things [are the] beginning of labor pains.

“But, you look out for yourselves! However before all these things, they will lay their hands upon you, and they will persecute [you], delivering [you] up. Then shall you be surrendered into pressure: For you shall be surrendered into sanhedrims, bringing [you into] prisons and into synagogues. Ye will be beaten, and ye will be brought before governors and kings and they shall kill you on account of my authority. But, it shall turn out to you [to be] a testimony to them, and the good message must be proclaimed into all the Gentile nations first. But when they may lead you away, delivering you up, do not rehearse nor premeditate what ye should say, but that whatever may be given to you in that hour, this speak. For ye are not they who speak but the Ruach haQodesh (the Holy Spirit/Wind). Therefore, calm your heart not to premeditate to make a defense.  For I will give you a mouth and a wisdom to which all those opposing you shall not be able to reply nor to resist. However, ye will be delivered up also by parents and siblings and relatives and friends, and they will put [some] from among you to death. But even a brother will deliver up a brother into death and a father a child, and children will rise up against parents and deliver them to death. And ye shall be hated by all the Gentile nations on account of my authority, and [yet] not a hair out of your head may ever perish. By your patient endurance, [you shall] gain your breathers/lives. And then, many shall be led to offend and one another shall be revealed and will hate one another.  And many lying prophets will arise and will mislead many. Also, because the [ones] against the Torah will have been multiplied, the love of many will grow cold. However, the [one who] stays under it into the conclusion, he himself shall be rescued. And the good news about the kingdom shall be heralded then in all of the habitable world into a witness to all the Gentile nations and then shall come the conclusion.

But when ye therefore shall see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has drawn near - The Abomination of the Desolation – the [one which] was spoken about by Dani'el the prophet - standing in [the] holy place where it must not be (let the reader understand), then let those in Y'hudah (Judah) flee into the mountains. However, [let] the [one] upon the roof-top not come down into the house nor go inside to take anything out of his house. And [don’t] let the [one] in the field back into the [city]; he is not to return to take his clothes, and let those in [the] middle of it depart out and don’t let those in the countrysides enter into it. For these are the days of vengeance; all things which are written may be fulfilled. But <ooaahee!> to the [one] who is pregnant and to those [who] breast-feed in those days! But pray so that your flight may not be in [the] rainy season (“winter”) nor on Shabbat (the Sabbath); for then those days shall be the huge pressure - no - nor has been its like since [the] beginning of Creation of [the] habitable world which God created until the present - no - nor ever shall be, and if [the] Master had not shortened those days, there would not have been any flesh rescued. But on account of the chosen [ones] whom He chose, He has shortened the days [and] those days shall be shortened. For huge distress will be upon the Land and violent passion in this people.  And they shall fall by the edge (mouth) of [the] sword and shall be led away captive into all the Gentile nations, and Jerusalem shall be trampled under by Gentile nations until the times of the Gentile nations be fulfilled. And then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here's the Messiah!’  or ‘Here [He is]!’  or ‘Look, there!’  Don't (you) believe (it)! For lying Messiahs and lying prophets will arise and will produce great signs and miracles to the deception so as to mislead if possible even the chosen (ones).  But ye, watch out! Look, I have forewarned all (things) to you! Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look! [He’s] in the wilderness!’ don’t go out there! ‘Look! [He’s] in the chambers!’ Don’t you believe [it]!  For as the lightning flashes out from [the] east and shines as far as [the] west, so too the Revealing of the Son of Man shall be. For wherever the carcase may be, there the vultures will be gathered together.

“However, in those days, immediately after the pressure of those days, there will be signs in [the] sun, moon and stars: the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not shine its light and the stars shall fall out of the sky (meteors) and the stars shall be fallen out of the sky (meteorites) and distress of Gentile nations in confusion, [the] roaring sea and waves upon the earth, and men’s hearts failing them from fear, [from] looking after those (things) which are coming on the habitable world; for even the powers which (are) in the skies shall be shaken.

“And then the sign of the Son of Man shall appear in the sky. And then all the families of the Land shall mourn and they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud - coming in [and] upon the clouds of the sky - with great power and great brightness. And then He shall send His messengers with a loud trumpeting sound, and they shall gather together His chosen (ones) out of the four winds from one extremity of [the] earth to an extremity of [the] sky to the other extremity.  But these things beginning to come to pass, look up and raise up your heads, for your redemption draws near.”

And He spoke a parable to them, “But, learn the parable from the fig tree: Look at the fig tree, even all the trees; When already its branch is beginning [to be] green,  they shoot forth now and it puts forth the leaves, ye see for yourselves it is known that now summer is close. So when ye see all these things likewise come to pass ye know that the kingdom of God is close upon (the) threshhold.  I confirm to you that this generation will not ever have passed until each one of these things be fulfilled [and] until the whole of these things be fulfilled. The sky and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away.

But no man knows concerning of that day and of that hour, not even those messengers of the sky in (the) sky neither the Son but only my Father. But like the days of Noach (Noah) [were], in the same way will be also the Revealing of the Son of Man:

For like they in those same days that [were] before the Flood were munching and guzzling, marrying and arranging marriages, until that day Noach (Noah) entered into the ark, and were not aware until the Flood came and swept absolutely all away, so the Revealing of the Son of Man shall also be the same way. Then two shall be in the field: the one shall be received near and the other shall be sent forth. Two shall be grinding at the mill house: one (feminine) shall be received near and one (feminine) shall be sent forth.

However, watch yourselves so at no time your hearts be weighed down with hangovers and intoxication and distractions of this life, and that the day stand upon you unexpectedly. For it shall come as a trap upon all those who dwell on [the] surface of the whole earth.  Therefore, stay awake! Pray at every occasion that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man.  Watch out, stay awake, and wish forward to God! For ye don’t know when the time will be!

As a man journeying abroad who left his household and gave to his slaves the authority and to each one his [own] assignment and commanded the front door guard to stay awake guarding, therefore then YE guard for ye don’t know when - what timeyour master, the master of the household, will come, at dusk or midnight or cockcrowing or at dawn! Otherwise, he will come suddenly to find you sleeping! But that which I say to you, I say to all: Stay awake!

But know this: that if the householder had known in what watch the burglar would come, he would have watched better and would better not have allowed [him] to break into his house. Through that [analogy], ye be ready, too; the Son of the Man shall come at such a time that ye won’t imagine.

Now, this isn't perfect. I know that. However, it is a good attempt at translating into modern American English what the three Greek versions are trying to convey that Yeshua` said.

Some, I know, will object to some of the rendering of this message by Yeshua`, but the truth is that He said what ALL THREE "evangelists" wrote. I trust God to have kept their versions of Yeshua`s message as pure as possible and that what Yeshua` actually said was a UNION of all three.

One will also notice that there is a certain "Jewishness" to the translation. Yeshua` was not talking to "Jewish Christians"; He was talking to believing JEWS who recognized that He was the Messiah of God for them! That's a HUGE difference, and one that must be maintained!

Next time, we'll talk about this discourse in more detail.

In the Messiah's love,
Retrobyter

Saturday, October 22, 2011

The Olivet Discourse continued

Shabbat shalom, friends (which is what I should have said on the last post, as well)!

So, let's put the Olivet Discourse all together and see what Yeshua` was saying. Then, from the course of His speech, we'll see what parts are already fulfilled and what parts are yet to be fulfilled:

After a couple of years of study, this is the raw result. The red words are strictly words from Matthew. The yellow (gold) words are strictly the words from Mark, and the blue words are strictly the words from Luke. The orange text - as orange is a mixture of the colors red and yellow (gold) - are words that both Matthew and Mark contain and upon which they agree. The green words - as green is a mixture of the colors of yellow (gold) and blue - are words from both Mark and Luke. The violet or purple words - as purple is a mixture of red and blue - are words from both Matthew and Luke. The "brown" (actually dark-red) text - as brown is a mixture of red, yellow (gold) and blue - are the words found in all three accounts. They are delivered here without punctuation or verse divisions and in the order in which the Greek words occur:


Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21:all

And went-out the Yeshua` from of-the of-temple departed and came-to the students of-him to-show him the buildings of-the of temple  And as-some were-speaking about of-the of-temple that stones goodly and consecrated-gifts it-was-adorned  And out-from he of-the of-temple as-he-(was)-departing-out says to-him one out-from of-the of-students of-him Teacher see what stones and what buildings  And the Yeshua`answering he-said to-him Do-you-see these-things the huge buildings  the but he-responding  he-said  to them Not do-you-see these-things all Truly I-say to-you  These-things the-which ye-are-beholding will-come days in which  no  surely-not  shall-be-left  here  a-stone upon a-stone that not  surely-not  shall-be-torn-down  Sat-down but he upon the mountain of-the of-Olives  And as-was-sitting he into the mountain of-the of-Olives opposite of-the of-temple  they-approached  but  to-him  the students  down privately  Kefa/Peter and Ya`acov/James and Yochanan/John and Andreas/Andrew  saying  Teacher  Tell us  when  then  these-things shall-be And what the sign  of-the of-thee revealing  when should-be-about  of-all  these-things  become  and the entire(ly)-complet(-ion, -ed)  of-the of-age And  the/that-one  but  Yeshua` answering  began to-say  saying  to-them  (You)-look-out lest/surely-not  anyone you  mislead; ye-be-led-astray  Many for shall-come/will-come upon the name/authority of-me saying  when  I am [he]  the Messiah  and the time is-drawn-near  And many they-will-mislead  Not therefore go-ye with them  when  but  Ye-shall-attend  ye-shall-hear of-wars and  reports of-wars  (you)-discern-clearly  not ye-be-frightened  commotion not be-terrified  it-is-necessary/it-must-needs/must for  all  these-things  must-happen  first  but  not immediately  not-yet  is  the end/conclusion  Then he-said to-them  Shall-awaken  for  nation upon nation and kingdom upon kingdom  and there-shall-be famines  and pestilences/diseases/plagues  and  there-shall-be  earthquakes  the huge  and troubles  down various-locations  fearful-sights also and from skies signs great shall-be  all But  these-things beginning of-labor-pains  (You)-Look-out but ye to-yourselves  Before but these-things all they-will-lay upon you the hands of-them and they-will-persecute-[you] delivering-[you]-up  Then shall-be-surrendered you into pressure  Shall-be-surrendered For you into sanhedrims  and  prisons bringing-[you]  into synagogues  ye-will-be-beaten and  upon/before governors and kings  ye-will-be-brought  and they-shall-kill you  for-sake/on-account-of  the name/authority  of-me  It-shall-turn-out but to-you  into/for a-witness/a-testimony  to-them  And into all the nations first must be-proclaimed the good-message  when But they-may-lead-away you delivering-you-up not do-be-careful-beforehand what ye-should-say nor meditate-[your-reply] but that whatever may-be-given to-you in that the hour this speak not for are ye they-who speak but the Spirit/Wind the Holy  Settle therefore into/for/in the heart of-you not to-premeditate to-make-a-defense  I For will-give you a-mouth and a-wisdom which not shall-be-able to-reply-to nor/or to-resist all those opposing you Ye-will-be-delivered-up but and/also under/by parents and brothers/siblings and relatives and friends and they-will-put-to-death from-among you  And/also will-deliver-up But brother to-brother into death and father to-child and will-rise-up children upon parents and deliver-to-death them  And ye-shall-be detested/hated under/by all  the nations/Gentiles  through/on-account-of the name of-me  and a-hair out-of/from the head of-you not ever may-perish  in/by the patient-endurance of-you gain the breathers/lives of-you  And then shall-be-offended many and one-another shall-be-revealed and will-hate one-another  And many false-prophets will-arise and will-mislead many  And because/through the-[ones] will-have-been-multiplied the against-Torah will-grow-cold the love of-the many  The-[one-who] but stays-under/remains/endures into end/conclusion he-himself/this-[one] shall-be-rescued  And shall-be-heralded then the good-news of-the of-kingdom in all of-the habitable-world into a-witness to-all the nations/Gentiles and then shall-come the end/conclusion  When  therefore  but  ye-shall-see  being-surrounded under/with/by armies the Jerusalem then know that has-drawn-near the destruction/desolation of-it  the Abomination of-the Desolation the-[one-which] was-spoken-about through/by Dani'el the prophet standing  in place holy  where not it-must-be  the-[one-who] is-reading/reads let-him-understand  Then those in the Y'hudah/Judaea/Judah let-them-flee into/upon the mountains  The-[one]  but  upon the roof-top not come-down  into the house nor go-inside  to-take anything out of-the house of-him  And the-[one] in/into the field  is  not let-him-return  into the-[city]  back/behind to-take the/that garment of-him  and those in middle of-it let-them-depart-out and those in the countries/countrysides not let-them-enter into it  For days of-vengeance these be the may-be-fulfilled all-things which are-written  Woe but to-the-[one] in belly with-child and to-those-[who] give-suck in those the days  Pray but so-that not may-be the flight of-you in-winter  nor on Shabbat/Sabbath  There-shall-be for  then  the days those  pressure/tribulation  great/fat/large  no nor has-been  the-like  upon beginning  of-Creation  of-world  which created the God  until the now/present  no  nor ever/at-all shall-be  And if not had-been-shortened/had-shortened  Master/Lord/Sir  the days  those  not there would-have-been-rescued/delivered any flesh  But  through/on-account-of  but  the elect/chosen-[ones]  whom he-chose he-has-shortened the days  shall-be-shortened the days those  will-be for contraint/distress great/fat/large/huge upon the earth/land and desire/violent-passion in the people this  And they-shall-fall by-the-mouth of-[the]-sword and shall-be-led-away-captive into the nations/Gentiles all and Jerusalem shall-be trodden-down under by-nations/Gentiles until the be-fulfilled times of-the-nations/Gentiles And  Then if anyone to-you says, "Look, here's the Messiah!"  or "Here!"  or "Look, there!"  Don't (you)-believe-(it)!  There-will-arise For/But false-Messiahs and false-prophets and will-give/will-work signs/indications  great  and miracles/wonders  so-as to-mislead/will-be-misled  to/toward the deception  if possible and/even the elect/chosen-(ones)  Ye but Watch-out  Look, I-have-foretold/forewarned to-you  all-(things)  If therefore they-say to-you, "Look! in the wilderness!" He-is not to-go-forth; "Look! in the chambers!" Not you-do-believe-(it)!  Like/as For the lightning comes-out from east and shines as-far-as west so shall-be and/also the Revealing of-the Son of-the Man  wherever For may-be or the carcase there will-be-gathered-together the eagles/vultures/buzzards  But in those the days  immediately But  after the pressure  that  of-the days those  And there-will-be signs/indications in sun and moon and stars  the sun shall-be-darkened and the moon not shall-shine the light of-it/its  and the stars shall-fall from/out of-the sky  and the stars shall-be out of-the sky fallen  and upon the earth distress of-nations in perplexity/confusion roaring sea and waves  hearts-failing-them of-Men from fear and looking-after those-(things) which-are-coming-on the habitable-earth/world  and/even  the  for  powers  which-(are) in  of-the sky/skies shall-be-shaken  And then shall-appear the sign/indication of-the Son of-the Man in the sky  And then  shall-wail all the tribes/families of-the earth/Land and  they-shall-see the Son of-the Man  coming upon the clouds of-the sky  coming in clouds  coming in a-cloud  with power  great  and glory  great  And  then  he-shall-send the messengers of-him/his  with trumpeting sound loud  and they-shall-gather-together the elect/chosen-(ones) of-him/his out of-the four winds from a-limit/an-extremity  of-earth/of-Land to limit/extremity  of-sky  to the limit/extremity of-other  Beginning But these-things to-come-to-pass look-up and lift-up/raise-up the heads of-you/your for draws-near the redemption of-you/your And he-spake a-parable/an-analogy to-them  From But the fig-tree (you)-learn the parable/analogy  Look-at/Behold the fig-tree and all the trees  When  already the branch of-it/its  tender/green/quick  is-beginning  tender/green/quick  they-shoot-forth now  and  buds  the leaves/buds  it-puts-forth/are-put-forth  ye-see of your-own-selves  you-know/it-is-known that  now  near/nigh-at-hand the summer  is  So/Thus likewise/and/also ye when ye-see  all  these-things  come-to-pass  know-ye that near it-is/is  the kingdom of-the God  at/upon (the)-doors/threshholds  Truly/Confirmed I-say to-you that not ever will-have-passed the generation of-this  until severally/each-one-of  these-things  be-fulfilled  until the all/whole of-these-things be-fulfilled  The sky and the earth shall-pass-away the but words of-me/my not ever shall-pass-away Around But of-the day that and/or of-the hour no-man knows not-even the messengers/messenger  the/these/those  of-the sky  in (the)-sky  neither the Son if not the Father  of-me/my only  As/Like For/But the days of-the Noach/Noah in-the-same-way will-be and/also the Revealing of-the Son of-the Man  As/Like For they-were in the days those-same that before the flood/cataclysm crunching/munching and imbibing/guzzling marrying and arranging-marriages until that day entered Noach/Noah into the box/ark  And not were-aware/did-know until came the flood/cataclysm and took-away/swept-away absolutely-all so/thus shall-be and/also the Revealing of-the Son of-the Man  Then two shall-be in the field the one shall-be-received-near and the one/other shall-be-sent-forth  Two shall-be-grinding in/at the mill-house one (feminine) shall-be-received-near and one (feminine) shall-be-sent-forth  Take-heed but to-yourselves lest-at-any-time be-overcharged of-you/your the hearts in surfeiting and drunkenness and cares of-this-life and come upon you unawares the day (so)-that  As a-snare shall-it-come For on all the them-that-dwell on face whole of-the earth  Stay-awake therefore in all times pray that ye-may-be-counted-worthy to-escape these-things all the that-shall come-to-pass and to-stand before the Son of-the Man  Watch-ye/Look-out stay-awake and pray not ye-see/ye-know for when the time is  As a-man journeying-abroad who-left the household of-him/his and gave the servants/slaves to-his the authority and to-each-one the work of-him/his and the front-door-guard commanded to stay-awake-guarding  Watch-ye/Guard-ye therefore  then  not ye-know  for when  what day/hour  the master/sir/lord  of-you/your  of-the household  does-come  or evening or midnight or cockcrowing or morning  Else he-will-come suddenly to-find you sleeping The/that-which  But to-you I-say to-all I-say Watch!/Guard! this But know that if had-known the householder in-what watch the thief/burglar would-come he-would-have-watched up/at/better and not up/at/better would-have-suffered to-be-broken-up the house of-him/his. Through that-thing and/also ye be ready that the/in-such not ye-think an-hour the Son of-the Man shall-come

That's it. I only took it through to the point at which there is no more text from either Mark or Luke to match with Matthew's account (which extends through chapter 25).

That's the "clay" with which we shall work. Now, we can "play" with the "clay," molding it into the English we understand.

In the Messiah's love,
Retrobyter